Eastside Genealogical Society October Meeting

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The Eastside Genealogical Society will meet on Thursday, October 13, 2016 in the Bellevue Regional Library (Room 1), 1111 – 110th Ave NE, Bellevue, WA 98004 at 7 pm, with doors opening at 6:45 pm for networking.

Topic:  “It’s Show and Tell Night” – Members will tell about their most interesting deceased relative and show some items related to their family history. Come enjoy some very interesting stories and learn more about genealogy.

 

Also see our website for FREE genealogical help and other Special Interest Group meetings. Visitors are always welcome at all meetings. www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wakcegs/

Dorothy Pretare

EGS Publicity Chairperson

dpgen@comcast.net

Online Pre-registration for Ancestry Day Ends Friday

Online pre-registration for this weekend’s “Ancestry Day” closes at 5:00 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 23. The event is Saturday, Sept. 24 from 8:00 a.m. – 4:00 p.m. at the Greater Tacoma Convention & Trade Center in Tacoma. If you can’t pre-register online, you can still attend by purchasing a ticket at the door on Saturday. Events for Friday are sold out.

Both novice and experienced genealogists are welcome at this event which is sponsored by Ancestry, Washington State Archives, Washington State Library, Legacy Washington, the Washington State Historical Society, Washington State Historical Records Advisory Board and National Historic Publications & Records Commission. Crista Cowan, better known as The Barefoot Genealogist, and Anna Swayne will be the presenters on Saturday.

Eastside Genealogical Society German Interest Group

 

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The German Interest Group of The Eastside Genealogical Society will meet on Friday, October 7, 2016 from 1 to 3 pm in the Relief Society Room of the LDS Church at 10675 NE 20thSt, Bellevue, WA 98004 with doors opening at 12:45 pm for networking.  Visitors are always welcome at our meetings.

 

Topic:  Marburg, Germany, historic capital of Hessia

The town of Marburg, Germany, with its Marburger Schloss castle, museums, cathedrals and 16th century half-timbered houses, was once the seat of the Hessian government, thus the homeland of many of the early German immigrants to the U.S. In addition to Hessia’s cache of genealogical records, Marburg is home to many intriguing stories, having been at the crossroads of significant events throughout history. In the 1200s, Elizabeth of Thuringia cared for the sick there; the stories of her sainthood and miracles live on through the majestic medieval St. Elizabeth Cathedral. In addition to its Catholic roots, Marburg is the location of the first Protestant university. In 1529, at a key moment of the Reformation, whether or not the various factions of Luther’s Reformation could agree hung in the balance at the Marburg Colloquy. At one time the town was home to the Brothers Grimm. In her powerpoint presentation, Claire Gebben will share sights and history about Marburg she learned while visiting there this past spring.

 

Speaker:  Claire Gebben is the author of The Last of the Blacksmiths, a novel set in the mid-19th century based on the true story of her German immigrant great-great grandfather. Ms. Gebben’s articles have appeared in Family Chronicle Magazine, Fiske Genealogical Foundation Newsletter, and her piece on German Separatist Zoar Village in Ohio appeared in the June/July 2016 issue of German Life magazine. She is the historian of the 163-year-old First United Methodist Church of Seattle, and holds an MFA in Creative Writing through the Northwest Institute of Literary Arts. http://clairegebben.com

 

For more information, kindly visit our website at https://egsgermangroup.wordpress.com/  .

 

Dorothy Pretare

GIG Leader

GermanInterestGroupEGS@outlook.com

Finding Your Roots at Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

Finding Your Roots Seminar, Free. Saturday, October 15th all day, Surrey, British Columbia, Canada.

Speakers this year include Mary Kathryn Kozy from Washington State, and Lesley Anderson of Ancestry.ca, and Dave Obee.

See the schedule (38 classes) and more information on-line.

Registration now open. Free. Box lunches may be reserved. Plentiful free parking.

Finding Your Roots website: http://findingyourroots.ca/
Location: 6270 -126th St. Surrey, BC, Canada
Telephone: 604 597 9695
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Northeast Washington Genealogical Society Meeting October 12

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The next Northeast Washington Genealogical Society meetings are on Wednesday, October 12, 2016. The morning Computer Interest Group (CIG) will meet in the basement meeting room of the LDS Church on Juniper Street in Colville at 10:30 AM. Entry is located at the back of the building. The building is located one block east of the South Main Restaurant on Hwy 395.

Vice-President, Karen Struve will take a new approach for beginning on-line genealogy research. This month the focus will be on starting from scratch.  She will share her methodology for creating a tribute to a young man whose life was tragically cut short.

We will take a lunch break at noon and then meet again in the LDS Lower Meeting Room at 1:30 p.m.

It’s time to re-think those brick walls that keep all of us from making progress on our genealogy research. Perhaps the answer is right there in your old research that you set aside so long ago.

Susan Dechant, President of NeWGS will lead the discussion about those walls as well as offer up some tips and tricks to help us break them down or, maybe, just move on and around the walls.

All visitors are welcome. You do not need to be a member to attend the Northeast Washington Genealogical Society’s meetings.

Cascade Centennial Chapter of the SAR Veterans Day Ceremony

Cascade Centennial Chapter of the Sons of the American Revolution

 

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On behalf of the Cascade Centennial Chapter of the Sons of the American
Revolution, it is my pleasure to invite you, and the Washington State
Genealogical Society to attend the Veterans Day Ceremony on Friday, November
11, 2016, at 10:00 a.m.  The ceremony will be conducted in the main chapel
at Sunset Hills Memorial Park Cemetery in Bellevue, Washington.

As a partner in the Department of Defense 50th Anniversary Commemoration of
the Vietnam War, we will be honoring all veterans, but granting particular
honors to those who served during the Vietnam War.  They will receive the
DoD Vietnam War lapel pin, and a letter from President Obama.

It would be an honor to have you join us.

Very truly yours,

Gregory D. Lucas, President

Cascade Centennial Chapter, SAR

Serendipity Day

** Banks Lake & the Rainbow

** Digital Public Library of America

** Going to Salt Lake City and the Family History Library?

** Norwegian Ten Commandments

** Check Out HistoryGeo.com (thanks Jeanine Barndt)

 

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Last August, hubby and I spent a few sunshiny happy days on Banks Lake. One morning a thunderstorm came up and created a double rainbow! We live in such a beautiful state!

Do you know the history of this man-made lake? According to Wikipedia:

Banks Lake is a 27-mile long reservoir in central Washington in the United States. Created at the time of the Grand Coulee Dam, the reservoir was planned to irrigate the entire central basin of Washington. This eventually did happen, and is on-going, but electricity produced by the dam is also of vital importance.

Due to the nature of the lake, lying as it does within the walls of a basaltic coulee, there are few access points. To me this makes it a boater’s paradise where you can nearly have the entire lake to yourself. And the water gets delightfully warm enough for swimming!  If you’d like to visit, check out Steamboat Rock State Park.

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Ever used the DPLA? The Digital Public Library of America? The DPLA is one of the most useful online libraries available today. It is new, having been formed less than two years ago. It is not a genealogy library. Rather, it is a general purpose library that just happens to have a lot of genealogy material in addition to other topics. The DPLA’s mission is to make cultural and scientific works more accessible to the public.

Dick Eastman, in his weekly online newsletter, wrote about the DPLA back in February 2015. At the time of his newsletter, he wrote that the DPLA listed over 8,000,000 items in its catalog from libraries, archives and museums. (Just checked; now it’s over 13,000,000.) Doing a search on the word genealogy returned a list of 65,707 items available via the library’s online portal.

The DPLA serves as a portal to provide new ways to search and scan through the united collection of millions of items that may be stored on any of thousands of other library websites. This alone gives me reason to want to know more. Of course there is a YouTube video about the DPLA for your viewing educational pleasure.

Check it out:  www.dp.la  (Yes, a pretty simple web address.)

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How to prepare to visit the Family History Library in Salt Lake City….. are you planning a visit anytime soon? Especially if it’s your first time, please do take advantage of the tips listed below in the FamilySearch Wiki article:  Go toFamilySearch Wiki

  1. Click on Family History Library
  2. Click Visit to the Library.

Another Suggested method found on the updated FamilySearch site

  1. Click onwiki.familysearch.org/en/Main_Page
  2. Click onFamilySearch Centers.
  3. Click onTheFamily History Library Salt Lake City, Utah.

4 Click for Additional Library Information

 

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Barbara Zanzig, a friend with whom I rendezvous every year at the Salt Lake Christmas Tour, shared with me the Ten Commandments with a distinctive Norwegian flavor and twist. I share them with you. You’ll love ‘em!

Da Ten Commandments
1. Der’s only one God, ya know.
2. Don’t be idolizing dat fish on yer mantle.
3. Cussin’ ain’t Minnesota nice.
4. Go to church even when yer up nort.
5. Honor yer folks.
6. Don’t kill; Catch an’ release.
7. Der’s only one Lena fer ever Ole.  No cheatin’.
8. If it ain’t yer lutefisk, don’t take it.
9. Don’t be braggin’ ’bout how much snow ya shoveled.
10. Keep yer mind off yer neighbor’s hotdish.

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Did your ancestors settle in western states and were first landowners? If so, you can find the information about their land at www.historygeo.com. Arizona, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington, and Wyoming land records were recently added to the database. I don’t have ancestors in those states but I did find great-great-grandfather in Kansas. Doing a search on some surnames of those I know settled in these areas produced a lot of results. Check this database for your ancestors. Read the article about these 3.3 million original landowners added to historygeo.com.

Blog.historygeo.com/2015/06/08/western-states-added-to-first-landowners-project/  

(Jeanine Barndt is the Head Librarian for the Heritage Quest Research Library in beautiful downtown Sumner, Washington; this bit is from the HQRL Newsletter for Fall 2015.)

 

Seattle Genealogical Society Tip of the Week

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TIP OF THE WEEK

FindMyPast Special Introductory Rate!

The FindMyPast website has announced a starter rate of $34.95 for a one year subscription, which they report will give access to more than 2.9 billion records.  This represents a 70% discount from the ordinary 12-month option of $114.50.  Among the records that come with this subscription are UK and Irish censuses, the free collections of US census and Irish Roman Catholic church registers. The Starter Package also has a collection of US birth, marriage and death records, including a range of California births and marriages, New York marriages and South Carolina deaths.  There are, as well, records of folks leaving the UK  (1890-1960), passenger lists from various states, and a collection of historic US newspapers which often contain valuable information for genealogical research.  The FindMyPast 360-year marriage record collection cannot be accessed with this Starter Package but is available with the more costly premium subscription. This website is of special interest to those involved in English and Irish research but increasingly includes much American information. For information consult findmypast.com.

Seattle Genealogical Society News

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SGS FALL SEMINAR

Genetic Genealogy:

Understanding and Furthering

Your DNA Research

October 15, 2016

featuring Emily Aulicino

Learn how you can break through your genealogical brick walls, how you can prove or disprove your paper trail, and why thousands are turning to genetic genealogy to supplement their family history research. There will be two tracks of presentation. Advanced and beginner classes will be taught by our speaker with the assistance of the SGS DNA Special Interest Group. The speaker, Emily Aulicino, is author of Genetic Genealogy: The Basics and Beyond (2014) and is also the Regional Coordinator for the International Society of Genetic Genealogists.  She teaches genetic genealogy classes at the Genealogical Forum of Oregon (Portland) as well as weekly classes on writing childhood memories and family stories. The Fall Seminar will be held at the Fairview Christian School, 844 NE 78th Street, Seattle, WA 98115.  There is plenty of free parking! Doors will open at 8:00 a.m. with Welcome at 9:00 a.m. Closing time 4:30.

Brochures, with registration forms, will be mailed to SGS members.  You can also register online at:

http://seattlegenealogicalsociety.org/2016-fall-seminar-information

For further information, go to the SGS website: seattlegenealogicalsociety.org, or call us at (206)522-8658.

FALL MEMBERSHIP MEETING  

The SGS Fall Membership Meeting will be held Saturday, October 1st, from 1:00 – 2:30 pm. in the Seattle Genealogical Society Library.  Cyndi Ingle, whose indispensable website, Cyndi’s List is well known to family historians, will speak.  Ann Wright, Director of the Library, will present an update on major advances in our Library’s development.

Come early and join us for a social hour, with coffee, tea and light snacks beginning at noon, before the meeting begins. This is an opportunity to meet fellow SGS members,  the current Board members and fellow researchers, and perhaps find a clue or two for your own family history!  Or linger after the meeting concludes.

SGS Technological Tuesdays – New Schedule!

The inaugural introduction of Tech Tuesdays has been a success, and Lisa Chan, outgoing Director of Technology and ongoing Technology Committee Chair, now has a feel for membership interest.
The schedule will shift to bi-monthly meetings to be held on the 1st and 3rd weeks starting October 4th, 2016.  For more information contact technology@seattlegenealogicalsociety.org.

SGS CALENDAR OF EVENTS

Unless otherwise indicated all programs will be at the SGS Library, 6200 Sand Point Way NE.  Please check the SGS Web Site for additions, changes, and corrections.  Programs may be canceled or postponed because of inclement weather.

SEPTEMBER

Saturday, September 17, 10:15 am – 12:15 pm, Irish Interest Group, an open session on Irish research using old and new resources   Leader: Jean A. Roth

Saturday, September 17, 1:00 pm – 3:00 pm, German Interest Group, an open session on German research using old and new resources   Leader: Jean A. Roth

Monday, September 19, 1:00 pm – 6:00 pm, Volunteer Appreciation Day.   All SGS Members are invited.

Tuesday, September 20, 10:30 am – 12:30 pm, Writers Group (closed).  By invitation.  Chair: Sue Haas.  For more information about writers groups, contact: education@seattlegenealogicalsociety.org

Tuesday, September 20, 12:30 pm – 3:00 pm, Technology Tuesday, Bring your laptop or mobile device, and enjoy discussions centered around technology and genealogy – software, genetic genealogy, internet research and more.  Hosted by Lisa Chan, SGS Director of Technology

Friday, September 23, 7:00 pm – 9:00 pm, Webinar Video Presentation “Taming Your Inner Packrat,” a video introduced by Julia Marconi and presented by Lisa Chan

Tuesday, September 27, 12:30 pm – 3:00 pm, Technology Tuesday, Bring your laptop or mobile device, and enjoy discussions centered around technology and genealogy – software, genetic genealogy, internet research and more.  Hosted by Lisa Chan, SGS Director of Technology

OCTOBER

Saturday, October 1, 1:00 pm – 2:30 pm, Fall Membership Meeting with speakers Cyndi Ingle and Ann Wright.  Social hour begins at 12:00.  See the article above in this eNews!.

Tuesday, October 4, 12:30 pm – 3:00 pm, Technology Tuesday, Bring your laptop or mobile device, and enjoy discussions centered around technology and genealogy – software, genetic genealogy, internet research and more.  Hosted by Lisa Chan.

Sunday, October 9,  1:30 pm – 3:30 pm, Scandinavian SIG, Leader: Karen Knudson

Saturday, October 15, SGS Fall Seminar.  See lead article of this eNews!.
Note: the SGS Library will be closed on this Saturday because of the seminar.

Tuesday, October 18, 10:30 am – 12:30 pm, Writers Group (closed).  By invitation.  Chair: Sue Haas.  For more information about writers groups, contact: education@seattlegenealogicalsociety.org

Tuesday, October 18, 12:30 pm – 3:00 pm, Technology Tuesday, Bring your laptop or mobile device, and enjoy discussions centered around technology and genealogy – software, genetic genealogy, internet research and more.  Hosted by Lisa Chan.

Wednesday, October 19, 7:00 – 9:00 pm.  Mac Computer Interest Group, Sponsored jointly by SGS, Fiske, and dBug.  Quarterly meetings at the Fiske Genealogical Library in Madison Park, 1644 43rd Ave E, Seattle 98112 are open and address topics helpful for users of MacIntosh (Apple) computers and the Reunion genealogy program. Email Lou Daly at loudaly@nwlink.com or Diane Hettrick at dhettrick@earthlink.net for questions.

Saturday, October 22, 10:15 am – 12:15 pm, Irish Interest Group, an open session on Irish research using old and new resources   Leader: Jean A. Roth

Saturday, October 22, 1:00 pm – 3:00 pm, German Interest Group, an open session on German research using old and new resources   Leader: Jean A. Roth

Saturday, October 29, 10:00 am – 12:30 pm, DNA Interest Group, at Wedgwood Presbyterian Church, 8805 35th Avenue N.E., Seattle. For information contact SGSDNASIG@gmail.com. Co-chaired by Cary Bright and Herb McDaniel.

FROM SGS PUBLICATIONS

The Publications Committee invites submissions of article manuscripts to be considered for inclusion in our Bulletin. We are also eager to find volunteers who are interested in layout or in proofing texts.  And we would very much like to learn of members who enjoy writing book reviews, a feature that we plan to reintroduce in our biannual publication.  Please contact: publications@seattlegenealogicalsociety.org.

GREEK-AMERICAN RESEARCH

Members interested in Greek family history should consult Greeks in Washington, an online “museum without walls,” established in 2009.  The site collects, preserves and offers to the public the history and culture of the Greek-American community in Washington State. It provides over 200 video interviews and many other exhibits.  Visit Greeks in Washington at: http://greeksinwashington.org.

CHICAGO ANCESTORS RELAUNCH

The Newberry Library has announced the relaunch of ChicagoAncestors.org, a searchable map for historical and genealogical research. The website is free and accessible to the public.  It features a map linked to numerous data points for historical events, places, images, and stories which can be searched by keyword, address, collection, or neighborhood. The revamped site now has a more legible and larger map, articles on history and genealogy, as well as an advanced search function. Additional resources include historical maps, city directories, street number conversion guides, and links to further research materials.

SAVE THE DATES

September 23rd-25th
The Kelowna & District Genealogical Society’s  (KDGS)
“Harvest Your Family Tree”  Conference 2016
Kelowna, BC, Canada. More info and registration is available at: kdgsconference2016.blogspot.ca  SGS member Mary Kircher Roddy is speaking at this conference.

September 23rd-24th
Ancestry Days in Washington State
As we reported in the last SGS eNews! Ancestry Day in Washington will be celebrated in Tacoma on Saturday. Activities on September 23 will be held at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma, including museum access and presentations on Washington genealogical resources.  On Saturday, September 24, Ancestry will present a program at the Greater Tacoma Convention & Trade Center (1500 Broadway, Tacoma), bringing their expertise, speakers, door prizes, and Ancestry DNA kits to purchase. For more details:
wasgs.org/blog/2016/07/07/ancestry-day-coming-soon/

September 24th, 10am – 12pm
 Save Your Photos Day
 Mercer Island Community Center,
 8236 SE 24th Street
 Mercer Island, WA

“Save Your Photos Day” is a free annual event that offers resources for what you can do to safeguard your memories before disasters or accidents occur. Local photo organizers and scan/print experts will join offer their expertise about preserving your photo memories. The event will be held at the Mercer Island Community Center, 8236 SE 24th Street,
Mercer Island, WA  For more information visit saveyourphotos.org or contact molly@seattlephotoorganizing.com.

November 12th, 9:00 – 5:00
LDS Family History Fair

This annual event offers a full day of free classes on a variety of subjects by qualified instructors. There are no charges for classes or registration.  Lunch and a syllabus are available for a modest fee. The venue will be the Bellevue South Stake Center, behind the temple at 15205 SE 28th Street, Bellevue 98007. For information: www.wafamilyhistory.com

THE GENEALOGICAL FORUM’s Wednesday Evening E-News

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THE GENEALOGICAL FORUM’s Wednesday Evening E-News 14 September 2016

For more information visit www.gfo.org, contact us at info@gfo.org, or call our library at 503-963-1932. We love hearing from you!

For a complete GFO CALENDAR go to www.gfo.org/calendar.htm.

Also, if you missed your free copy of our monthly Insider for August 2016, you’re in luck because we saved you a copy at http://www.gfo.org/insider/16-Aug.pdf.

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Don’t forget to take advantage of GFO’s 70th Birthday Bash this Saturday, Sept 17th!!

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GFO’s 70th Birthday Celebration Schedule BOOK BONANZA!! 10am – 4pm
All GFO’s clearance books are $1 each, or purchase a GFO tote bag for $5 and fill it with as many books as you dare at no extra charge!! Wow! Wadda deal!! On the main floor of the Ford Building.
HUNTING AND GATHERING, 9:30am – 11:30am
How much is enough? That is our question this month. We will look at the sources found for a father-son relationship and ask ourselves if there is enough evidence to build a solid case. We will touch on the genealogical proof standard and discuss what is meant by a “reasonably exhaustive search”. Beginners and intermediate researchers are encouraged to bring family research problems to work on. For more information contact Nanci Remington at nancicr@outlook.com.
MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL, 9:30am – 4pm
Get 2 or 4 extra months of GFO membership when you pay for only 12 or 25 months respectively. If you would like to take advantage of the deal but are in the middle of your current membership, well that’s no problem!! Just sign up at the GFO on Saturday, Sept 17th, and we’ll tack the same deal on to your membership when it next comes up for renewal.
GEN Talks, 2pm – 4pm
The GFO proudly presents Keith and Darlene Pyeatt as they will be imparting their wealth of knowledge about the German Parish Map Guides. If you remember, the GFO was recently able to purchase this entire collection with the support of people like you! Or maybe that was you who helped us reach our purchasing goal last month!! We’d like to say “Thanks Very Much” by sponsoring this free talk all about how to utilize these map guides as they are making their way to our library shelves now!
IRISH GROUP CANCELLED
Please contact volunteer@gfo.org to inquire about what you can do to get this group back!! (Looking for leaders!!! Please help.)

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Are you coming out to play?? GFO’s ANNUAL MEMBERS REUNION PICNIC! Sept 18th
We would love to see you at the membership picnic this year!! Just think of it: Old friends, new friends, possible wild animal sightings, food, ice cold lemonade in the shade of grand Pacific NW trees, and all the genealogical gossip you could ever wish for!

WHEN Sunday, Sept 18th, from noon until whenever you’re sick of it all!

WHERE Mt. Scott Park, Picnic Area B at SE 72nd Ave & Harold St in Portland.

HOW RSVP to picnic@gfo.org, then just put one foot in front of the other on Sept 18th, and come on out! YOU CAN ALSO PUSH THE SUPER-FUN BLUE BUTTON ABOVE OR BELOW!!

WHAT Iced tea, lemonade, and all the necessary paper and plastic products (plates, utensils, napkins, etc.) will be provided by the GFO. Please bring dishes to share, preferably filled with additional, more food-like items!!

NOTE No alcohol or smoking of any kind is permitted on the park grounds…city rules say so regarding all public parks.

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Free to a good home…those aren’t puppies, silly!

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The GFO recently did some house cleaning
(a.k.a. deaccessioning, reorganizing, and digitization…you know, just stuff librarians like to do in their spare time)
and found some items that may interest you:

▪ 3 file cabinets. FREE to the first taker. Take 1, 2, or all 3. Call the reception desk to see if they are still here. (503-963-1932)

▪ We also have a spare HP Laserjet ink cartridge that needs a good home. Again, please call the reception desk to see if it is still available. (503-963-1932)

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Have you registered? Are you ready for the fall Seminar? Saturday, Oct 15th, 10am – 4:30pm

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Don’t forget that the location of the Saturday, October 15th, Seminar with D. Joshua Taylor has changed. If you’d like to catch a glimpse of Mr. Taylor, you’ll need to register and come out to the:

The Milwaukie Center

5440 SE Kellogg Creek Drive

Milwaukie, OR 97222
REGISTRATION is available HERE!
See you at the Milwaukie Center (not the TaborSpace, dear friends and fellow researchers) on a temperate Saturday in October 2016!!

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What’s Happening this Week at the GFO?

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH
GFO’s 70th Birthday Bash! 9:30am – 4pm

See above for all the details on events, book sales, membership offers and more. Hope to see you there!
SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 18th
Annual Members Reunion Picnic 11am – 3pm

Be sure to RSVP by emailing a quick note to picnic@gfo.org, and bring along your favorite dish to share. Cutlery, napkins and plates, along with ice cold lemonade and tea will be provided.

THE LIBRARY WILL BE CLOSED THIS SUNDAY
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21st
Learn & Chat

Join us to talk about your genealogy questions and help provide support to others. Facilitated by Connie Lenzen.

DNA Q&A 1pm – 3pm

Lisa McCullough leads a discussion on various DNA related subjects, with each meeting focused on a particular subject. General questions are welcome at the end of each planned discussion.